On April 3, 2013 I disavowed every link to this website I could find through Google Webmaster Tools.
35,000 links. Gone.
It was an experiment, documented on Moz, to better understand how Google’s Disavow Tool worked. For almost the first two months, nothing happened. This site ranked for all types of phrases, even top 10 for competitive keywords like “SEO blog.”
Then, shortly after Google released Penguin 2.0 in late May, my rankings started to drop. They dropped like a rock.
The mystery deepened. Why did my rankings not drop until Penguin?
Tim Grice of Branded3 had a theory which he shared through Twitter.
Other SEOs noticed similar effects after disavowing links, most notably Marie Haynes. The disavow file seemed to have 2 different outcomes, depending on what you did next.
- If you filed a reconsideration request, the effect of disavowing your links often seems to take place soon after Google responded to your request.
- If you don’t file a reconsideration request, the file seems to update only during a major algorithm change like Penguin.
Immediately after this, I removed the disavow file from Google Webmaster Tools. I wanted to find out if the my rankings would recover with the file no longer in place. Here’s what happened:
Even after removing the disavow file, my ranking never recovered. Will they ever?
On the outside, it may seem like my site was hit by Penguin, and this has nothing to do with the disavow file. The truth is, my link profile was squeaky clean, my anchor text was diverse, and I’ve never done any manual link building. Additionally, as reported by other SEOs in the industry, mine was not the only site that “preemptively” disavowed links without filing a reconsideration request that saw their rankings plummet.
Unfortunately, information about what is really going on is scant. We’ve only seen one major algorithm update when this seemed to be true, the Penguin 2.0 update. Since we haven’t had a known Penguin update since May, we don’t know if these links will be reinstated, or if they are lost forever.
When you disavow your links, best to heed Google’s advice. Use with caution.
One other factor that could play a role in this experiment. I haven’t updated this blog since May, and I would expect traffic to fall as the content and user activity became stale. That said, I would expect at least some uptick in rankings if any of my old links were reinstated.
Will my rankings ever return? Watch this space…
71 thoughts on “Disavow: Sad Google Search Traffic Disavowing 35,000 Links”
I just disavowed some links as per your guidance. Waiting for their removal. Thanks!
Even though it seems like disavowing links on Google is slow, it’s nice to have that option now.
I thinks once you disavow the links the will be gone. Just change the file doesn’t them will not get it back.
Those website owners could get into a lot of trouble for having their links disavowed. Maybe they will lose their rankings, their traffic, their authority and what more
I think the disavow tool is a tool google has given to webmasters to help it identify spammy links, or noted toxic links, but if only 1 person is registering these domains as toxic, google will not take it into account, and would expect more webmasters to register the same domains as toxic to make a note of it what that number may be no one knows.
Having disavowed toxic domains in the passed I saw no evidence of a change due to it, even after a major algo update. And based on that I would not tinker with it any more. As I suspect it just puts your site under more scrutiny for link building practices, (of which any unnatural is prohibited) and if there are any fishy instances of link building may just backfire on you
My client has an e-commerce site in autoparts industry and there is a war in here, competitors sends so many spam backlinks etc. I never disavowed spam backlinks. There are zillions of spam backlinks but i dont care and i dont use disavow tool. Google knows they are spam but also they passes page rating, its interesting. Every spam backlink adds more power to site, i think.
Funny you say this Fevzi, i just got a new client who had alot of spamlinks towards pages on their site, and Google didnt know they were spam links. What they did know was, knowing that i had to fix it or they would go to court since it was copyright material.
So i had to disavow 13.000 backlinks. Not that it to alot of time since i could just put it out in excel, but now i see drop in my rankings, but i get more conversions, since the traffic i could see in analytics was bots who crawled through these pages.
I hope i get my placement back when they disavowed all spamsites, it was either that or the client getting permanent shutdown in Google, which Google said in their mail.
My website Spam Score is 3/17. How can i set it 0/17 or –. Waiting For Your Response. Thanks
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Every SEO expert do link building but sometime some spam links get created automatically, which harms website’s ranking that’s why you have to remove them as early as possible and for this google gave us Disavow Tool, to remove such links manually.
Manual link building is the key;)
35,000 backlinks without any link building?! There’s no way Google will not suspect the disavow with such link number
IMO disavow means links are discarded and never considered again. That’s the reason your rankings never came back. Google processed your file once and won’t process it again.
Great article. Thanks. 🙂
I’ve think it takes Google to long time to accept the disawow links.
I’d stay away from the tool as much as is possible. Google have said in recent times that negative links don’t cause a negative impact – they just don’t move the needle. Better to save time and leave it alone, in my opinion.
I have done a few disavow files in recent times on my sites, also manual links removal and recon requests.But I can´t see the effect
Well Google recently just said on twitter that unless you really need to disavow, you shouldn’t disavow any links because of their own filter. But compared to what they said and what i tested, its wrong, their filter isn’t strong enough yet, so you still need to disavow every bad link you get.
my website ranking is fluctuating ranking of website for single day, ranking drop out of 100 which is rank in top 5. i was complete again on page then get better ranking. how is the possible to get rank, i not understand what happen with my website.
Maybe it was the penguine update. What happened now? did your site recovered?
I’m obviously a little late to comment here, but it’s really the first example I’ve seen of the disavow tool doing such damage. Seems that now Google is ignoring “bad” links going to well-established sites, it’s better to just leave them there rather than trying to disavow, as it seems to be a risky practice.
Hi, very interesting experiment (and bold move). This delayed drop of ranking can be caused just by the fact that mostly disavow tool does not react right away. Maybe drop after Penguin 2.0 is just a coincidence? Your ranking started to drop befor this update.
How’s your ranking now, after the latest Penguin update?
I always try to maintain my web spam score to keep it low by keeping every point of spam score 17 points. but to reduce the spam score by disavow links from spam sites that already exist I doubt this would be a safe way of search engine ratings
Maybe it was the Penguin update.
If you disavowed all links then it means that you also disavowed the good ones – the drop of rankings should be normal. If the rankings did not recover after deleting the disavow file then maybe urls once sent to Google stay marked as bad forever.
what time effect after we submit google disavow file
instant or 1 week or 1 month
Thanks for this useful article 🙂
My website spam ranking is 9 and I want to know how to make it 0
When sudden change happens, there must be something. Whether it domes from search engines’ frequent updates, or anything a webmaster had done.
I think it would be better to take notes on everything you do on your site, with their dates and stats. If you see any sudden change, you should have the data that supports it.
For search engine algorithm, not all sites are affected simultaneously. Some are affected the day the update is released while others can fake a few days or even weeks. You should also take note on that.
Its been awhile, what happend to the site? did it rank again?
Realise this is quite old, but it would be good to see if whether your rankings recovered and at what point. i.e. they recovered when Google refreshed Penguin etc.
Did your rankings ever recover?
I had made a preemptive strike with the disavow tool against some spammy links late June, and about 2 weeks later the site tanked. At first I thought it could have been a Panda issue since it was loosely around the time of the latest refresh, but now I’m wondering if the drop was caused by the disavow. I just deleted the file this morning to see what will happen. In theory the links are still live, and over time the links should be followed again…I hope. Or should I still keep a disavow file in place, but scale back on the links within it?
this just shows that one of the major ranking factors Google uses is still backlinks pointing to a website, they just “liquidated” the VALUE of those backlinks.
I have a client now who has over 1.1M links to their site. I don’t know if it is humanly possible to sort through that many links and not remove quality ones which brings in traffic. It’s a fine line between trying to remove a penalty and not lose any traffic — have to wonder if it’s worth all the effort or just mail it in and start over again with a clean slate.
OK, there seems to be some pretty smart people on here. So I’d like to ask a question. As it stands one or more of my competitors can maliciously harm my rankings simply by using an automated bot to post 1000s of backlinks to my site from the worst possible neighborhoods on the web. I get penalized because Google gives negative value to those links even though I’m not responsible for them.
Why don’t Google simply give neutral value to those links it doesn’t like instead of negative value?
Result – any competitor trying to get my site deranked/delisted is wasting his her/time. It’s also a waste of time for us as genuine marketers to try to boost our own rankings by link spamming.
It just makes no sense to me. What am I missing?
Dont you think, that maby Google “keep” your disavow links, even tough you took it off?
I think it’s very clear that Google doesn’t refresh Disavow file data as often as they should be.
I did pretty much the same. I have disavowed 60% of the links and file is still there and links are still alive but I could manage to revoke the manual spam. I am not sure what to expect from Google’s coming updates
I question whether the disavow or the revoking of the disavow made a difference at all. I wouldn’t expect revoking a disavow would have an effect within a week, as the graph shows…
I would suggest this was inevitable and your traffic pre-penguin was inflated due to a disproportional amount of questionable links…
I suspect there might be some confusion by the chart. Links were disavowed April 3rd, and the drop in rankings didn’t happen until 7 weeks later – on exactly the afternoon of May 22nd.
I’d be hard pressed to call this a questionable link profile:
If there are a disproportional amount of questionable links there, I’m not seeing them. 😉
Omg u disavowed your own site for an experiment. That’s like a zombie movie where the hero infects himself with the virus to see if the cure works. Hope u are able to recover!
Thumbs up! Thumbs up!
Glad someone (you!) got out there and experimented with this! I posted on Inbound too, but the way I understand disavow from a few John Mu explanations (around last Jan-Mar in Hangouts) is a disavow doesn’t take sudden effect – Google has to crawl the pages the source links are on, and this of course is based on their own crawl schedule – and thus the effects of a disavow will appear to roll out slowly.
Could be a piece of the explanation of the reverse in effect, where you have removed the file, but now Google has to re-crawl and revaluate the source pages again. John Mu has said this can take up to 6 months to process, and has also said in Hangouts that you can most definitely hurt your site by disavowing good links (it’s like adding a nofollow) – so I also wonder if once you disavow, you can’t go back, you’ve basically added permanent nofollows (even if the file is removed).
Awesome you got this discussion happening though, there really is a lot we don’t know about it – and even harder to test because a) people don’t want to kill their site and b) the effects don’t seem anywhere near instant.
Thanks for the comment Dan, and also for dropping by. Always appreciated.
35 000 links ? Wow, did you hire someone to do the disavow links? I find it hard to believe that you did not use any automated tools to do link building. Google guidelines on link schemes should explain somewhat why you will never get back your page ranking.
I believe once you disavow the links they are gone. Just removing the file doesn’t get them back. There is no un-disavow.
Interesting experiment however there is one other thing that could influence the results.
You haven’t told us whether you just disavowed every link in WMT (all 35,000 individual lines) or used domain: to disavow, although I’m assuming for the purposes of this post that its the former. As Majestic shows you have over 51,000 links and we know that WMT does not show a complete backlink list, could it be that the remaining 16,000 links are of sufficient quality to keep the site afloat in the SERPS?
Also, it would seem that there is no mechanism within Google for removing disavow files. Whilst you can go in and remove the actual file (as you did) there seems to be doubt over whether that can actually make any difference. Have we ever had confirmation from Google that removal, or even updating it with a smaller file, actually makes any difference?
Hi Jonathon, thanks for your observations.
ONLY links found in WMT were disavowed, so there were undoubtedly links not caught up in the file. Even if I included links from Majestic, Open Site Explorer, ahrefs etc I don’t think I could capture all the links in Google’s index.
Your question is spot on – if you remove a link from your disavow file, can you ever get it back? I have a sinking feeling the answer is “no” but we’ll have a better answer if/when Google updates Penguin again.
This is very interesting and, I think, the crux of the issue here. We are making the assumption that removing the disavow file removes the disavows. But I have also not seen any indication that that is the way this is meant to work. Your suggestion of uploading a new disavow file, possibly one that only disavows a single link, is interesting! Would that replace the disavows and restore the other 34,999 links?
I’d have to say 35000 links are a lot of links, do you know how many actual domains are included? Do you have a lot of links from side bars seems to be the case with those link numbers? Also have you refreshed to see if there are a lot of domains now that haven’t been disavowed?
I don’t think Google will use the disavow to directly impact sites that have been disavowed, it’s too noisy a data set, however if they aggregate the dataset that’s a different matter! They say they aren’t using the data now but whose to know when they do.
To me Google have effectively but backlink profiles at the responsibility of webmasters, the issue is if your site is good and gets scraped, those links could effectively harm you in future. To me that’s the problem, there are links we have absolutely no control over that Google wants us to control with a disavow file and a data set that we have no full access to.
Matt cutts just said there will be a lot more link data, so would be interesting to see if you’re suing a lot of new domains and if they are sitewides.
One question is that as your site / name is “well known” has the quality of traffic to you (as opposed to the site).
I am interested to know if your level of business (if business is the focus of this site) changed significantly at all once your traffic dropped. I am a (semi) firm believer in quality over quantity so the -actual tangible result – would be interesting to read about in a follow up post or comment trail.
I believe this post from Irish Wonder follows on nicely from your test: irishwonder.com/blog/2013/09/12/the-invisible-web-can-we-stop-creating-our-own-trap/
Disavowing links is bad M’kay!
Thanks Chris. A handful of folks like Mr. Wonder believe that disavowing is equal to negative SEO, but I’ve yet to see any evidence. Which is a shame because it would be the easiest thing in the world to test. Simply disavow a site and see if the target site gets an unnatural link warning or if their rankings go down. But so far, no one has ever shown this to be the case.
Would love to see some data on this.
For the record, Mr. Shepard: I never said I believe disavowing links is equal to negative SEO, and I do not believe it, please do not put words into my mouth. Unfortunately, indeed, only “a handful of folks” realise the danger of the disavow tool and how disruptive the whole concept is to the nature of the web itself. It happens more often that other folks fail to see the forest for the trees – if after your experiment you still require evidence it is unclear why you ran it in the first place. Furthermore, I believe experiments like this are totally irresponsible as the sites you are disavowing are linking to more than just your site. Please build yourself an isolated private network linking to your properties only and then disavow to your heart’s content. Would you actually go as far as ascertain that other sites linked to from the sites you have is avowed have NOT suffered? Have you checked what happened to their rankings? Do you even care?
Thanks for stopping by and offering a clarification to your point of view – I appreciate it. Heard you hung out with my friends today in Brighton. That’s awesome!
Regardless, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Is the disavow tool one big admission of guilt then just as Davide suggests? Have their been success stories or recovery?
I’ve heard lots of stories of the Disavow Tool working. Here’s one:
The problem with that particular recovery story was that it covered manual actions. So what we now have is a theory that disavow needs either a recon request or a Penguin refresh for the changes to go live. That’s completely at variance with what Google has been saying, although quite a few people believe disavow is not the tool Google has made it out to be.
I think if what you found happened to your site is replicable across all others Google has been telling porkies for many months about this tool.
35,000 links and never done any link building? WOW. I reckon that looks already suspicious on Google’s book. Disavowing all the links make it even worse. Possibly…
I proudly present my ‘suspicious’ link scheme:
I have done a few disavow files in recent times, also manual links removal and recon requests.
Personally I see heaps of brands ask some one to do a disavow and they do not know what they are doing, they usually make a huge list of links with the wrong formatting and it just makes a HUGE mess of the site. I also noticed something recently where they disavowed 2k spam URLS and did not include the spam domains. Further to this they had a huge number of urls with spaces in the urls and also had a whole bunch of good urls included.
But that been said Disavow can work well if you remove the right links see an example of traffic increase here after a huge drop – http://www.powerretail.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Results-2.png
Hey Cyrus –
This is a cool post and experiment, but as DennisG says, I’d be a little sore if you had disavowed links from my site – you know, just in case Google actually goes through those files. But that’s the tin foil hat talking! 🙂
If I saw that graph in GA I would be REALLY upset. That’s a big drop in traffic. But as your link profile is squeaky clean, haven’t you essentially just dropped a bomb on an awesome link profile? It would be quite neat to have tried the same thing on a site with a manufactured link profile that ranks fairly well, to see how much of a difference it makes.
If disavow is just for spam and links known to you as being bad, then I’d expect to lose rankings after disavowing all user generated, honest John links. But if you had a ton of directory and paid links from the days of yore weighing you down after Penguin, I wouldn’t expect a dramatic drop.
Some of the sites I disavowed:
Hope their rankings don’t tank 🙂
Why disavow links from those sites?
I disavowed every link listed as pointing to this site in Google Webmaster Tools. It was an experiment to learn more about the Disavow Tool, which we understand very little about.
I worked on a site where the disavow file seemed to be processed during Penguin 2.0, despite a successful reconsideration request just over 2 months prior.
We had to disavow/remove a huge proportion of links, yet rankings improved a few weeks following the success response. At the time, this was attributed to the disavow file being processed. However, Penguin 2.0 then hit and rankings dropped away massively.
In hindsight, it seemed as if rankings initially improved owing to the removal of the manual barrier that had been put in place, but the major drop during Penguin 2.0 seemed to better fit with the large scale cuts we had to make within the disavow file.
Major improvements have been made to the site’s content since (to cover all bases), yet ranking performance for existing terms of focus remains relatively static – as if the site is now ranking where it deserves to, based on the links that remain.
Thank you for your comment Rich. There’s always confusion over what is actually causing the ranking drop. Was it the disavow file, Penguin 2.0 or something completely different?
Personally, I hate the whole disavow process. I hate that it causes so much confusion, fear, and senseless worrying.
Don’t you beleive that by disavowing your links, you actually lost all the link juice and the trust these onces were giving you and making you rank.
I think you have just nofollowed all the links that were actually making you rank. So yeah links have been disavvowed, now based on what would you rank ? Your most powerful links have vanished away.
I think you nailed it.
Do you think Google will make Penguin 2.0 something that ‘baked into’ the algo, as is the case with Panda (outlined in this post http://searchengineland.com/googles-matt-cutts-on-what-to-do-if-your-site-was-hit-by-panda-171617)?
Surely if that happens then updated disavow files will have an effect much more quickly…
Interesting post, we found that Penguin 2.0 had quite a significant impact on our rankings, much more than other updates. Our problem was to many blog roll links.
Certainly frequency of update is a key factor. I was trying an experiment with the impact of authorship and Google plus activity on ranking when Penguin 2.0 was released. It changed the results so much I had to abandon the experiment. it’s is difficult to understand what is happening with SEO ranking.
So, do you think you will ever get the value of the disavowed links back, so your rankings will be re-instated?
And did you think about the consequences for the websites you disavowed the links from?
Those website owners could get into a lot of trouble for having their links disavowed. Maybe they will lose their rankings, their traffic, their authority and what more…
Testing is great, and it takes balls what you did with your site, but I hope you do understand you now branded all those other webmasters with Google
I’ve heard some webmasters claim that disavowing links is an easy way of doing negative SEO, but I haven’t seen any evidence of it.
I’ve looked at a lot of disavow files and people disavow some pretty crazy stuff, stuff they shouldn’t disavow and links that actually help them. People often have no idea what they are disavowing. People ask Moz to remove links, then disavow Moz.com! Unless the same websites got disavowed again and again and patterns stated to emerge, I can’t imagine Google would take action on a single disavowed link.
In aggregate, it might be a great way for Google to find link networks, but on an individual site level it doesn’t make much sense.
If I believed for a second that I could hurt a website by simply disavowing a link from it, I never would have done it.
But I don’t believe it.
How can the disavow tool be a great way for Negative SEO? I see it as a way to help thwart a Negative SEO campaign.
Are you thinking that if enought people disavow a certain page/domain enough times this may trigger a response from Google that the page/Domain being disavowed is a bad/negative site?
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